1880-P I'm stuck - Help or suggestions please

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Dirtdoctor
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1880-P I'm stuck - Help or suggestions please

Post by Dirtdoctor » Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:00 pm

I have run the list of 1880's over and over and can't assign this one. Please offer any suggestions.

Salient points

Obverse -
Doubled or machined second 8 on top
Doubled 0 inside lower right and bottom
Apparent clashed s in Hair Vee
Possible checkmark remains on second 8
Polishing between features all over - cotton bolls, hair, LIBERTY, under ear and in ear, etc. Does not show well in pics.
Rough bottom on neck
No visible clash at chin/neck

Reverse -
Clash or double clash Wing-n
Clash under "st" of trust
Disconnected leaves from over polishing reverse

Pics here and on second post to follow.
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Re: 1880-P I'm stuck - Help or suggestions please

Post by Dirtdoctor » Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:02 pm

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Re: 1880-P I'm stuck - Help or suggestions please

Post by messydesk » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:40 am

There aren't many with the pincers on top of the 2nd 8. Maybe VAM 19. Is there pitting between ONE and DOLLAR and/or a strong polishing line at the right side of the upper serif of the L in LIBERTY?
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Re: 1880-P I'm stuck - Help or suggestions please

Post by Dirtdoctor » Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:32 am

Thanks for responding. The pincers on the 8 were one of the main features I hunted for, because they are strong and clear on this one.

I see no pitting in the ONE DO area, and nothing around the L in Liberty.
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Re: 1880-P I'm stuck - Help or suggestions please

Post by vampicker » Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:01 pm

VAMs 15 and 49 have an 8 that looks like that. Don't see the break on the lower cap of VAM 15A/B, but there's similar clashing present.
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Re: 1880-P I'm stuck - Help or suggestions please

Post by Dirtdoctor » Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:14 pm

Thanks for suggestion. I took a closer look, and got out the better photo gear. You can see the obverse polishing around the cotton bolls and leaves, and in the hair, a little better in these pics. Still trying to figure out how to get pics as good as others do.

I don't think either of those work...For V15, I don't see the cap break, and the date doubling is not the same. For 49, I don't see any of the Die Markers listed present.
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