Morgan 1921-P VAM-93 = EDS of VAM-57

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Kissov
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Morgan 1921-P VAM-93 = EDS of VAM-57

Post by Kissov » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:12 pm

While I don't have a VAM-93 in hand, if the attribution page photos are correct VAM-93 appears to be an EDS of VAM-57.

This is a VAM-57, part way to having the two cracks that join between the "AR" in "DOLLAR". Note the die scratch originating at "A", which is identical to that shown on the VAM-93 page. Note, too, that the "A" scratch points to another small die scratch originating from one of the wreath leaves. Both features appear on the VAM-93 page photos.

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In later die state examples, the visibility of this die scratch is very sensitive to light angle.

This example of VAM-57 also shows the scratches depicted on the lower tail feathers on the VAM-93 page.

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By the time the second crack has formed, the "A" scratch and the wreath scratch are still there but very faint.

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By the time you get to a full-blown VAM-57A only a trace of the two scratches is there.

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Thoughts?

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Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-93 = EDS of VAM-57

Post by ljs123 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:15 pm

Hi Ken,
I think that you are correct. I have the VAM-93 DC. I also have in my notes to submit these coins for a Kill. I don't remember when or how I came up with 93 = 57/57A. But I do see it in my notes for a kill.
Keep up the good work. Let me know if you want to submit these for a kill.

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Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-93 = EDS of VAM-57

Post by DHalladay » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:18 pm

I think you've nailed it!

I have an EDS VAM 93. It has a very strong line that goes left from the A. (Also notice the line coming down from the wreath above and between LL.) There is no crack from the R yet, but the lines in the tail feathers are there.

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Well done!
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Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-93 = EDS of VAM-57

Post by Kissov » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:08 pm

Thanks!

What is the procedure for a kill?

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Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-93 = EDS of VAM-57

Post by DHalladay » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:36 pm

Kissov wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:08 pm
Thanks!

What is the procedure for a kill?

Borrow Lee's VAM 93 Discovery Coin (which will wind up getting killed because it was 'discovered' 10 years after the 57/57A) and send it with a 57/57A and a letter explaining that 93 appears to be the EDS version of 57/57A.

And if you want my EDS VAM 93 as more evidence you can borrow it too.
When in doubt... don't.

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Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-93 = EDS of VAM-57

Post by weth » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:37 pm

I agree that it looks like VAM 93 is the same as VAM 57 / 57A. Good work!
I have an ANACS-attributed VAM 57A if that might help. As long as we're revising this listing, I think it helps to send as full a die progression as possible just to have the most accurate description and differentiation between the stages.

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