Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
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Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
Appreciate your thoughts on this one. I thought it a straight VAM-10 -- far date, normal MM placement -- but see a lot more than described.
Lots of additional PUPs that I believe are significant enough of note - mostly the die scratch along the hair and into the bonnet, scratch above the LIBERTY band into the wheat leaf, and the scratches in many of the LIBERTY letters. Undescribed or photographed cracks on the reverse that do not align with described varieties.
Will need to post in multiple parts to show what I see. Appreciate any and all thoughts!
First, sorry no FCPs. I can get low quality ones done with my phone but don't think they'd help.
Far date - note there is a bit of toning in the 0 that makes it appear there are die chips, but I don't think there's any doubling or additional 'stuff' on the date to note:
OOPS, I see the picture rotated on me - hope you can see the far date even if the picture is upside down!
Next, there is an extensive scratch that begins in the har behind the ear that extends well into the bonnet:
I can post other pictures that capture it from a different angle but hopefully you can see it well enough here.
Next, there are significant scratches like the one above the L of LIBERTY as well as undescribed/unphotographed die scratches in the letters (I, B, E and R especially):
Again, I can post other pictures that show these from different angles but hopefully you can see them clearly enough.
Next, parallel scratches between the cotton bolls that are distinctly different than other obverses I've seen:
And a small, but noticeable scratch in the ear:
More pictures to follow...
Lots of additional PUPs that I believe are significant enough of note - mostly the die scratch along the hair and into the bonnet, scratch above the LIBERTY band into the wheat leaf, and the scratches in many of the LIBERTY letters. Undescribed or photographed cracks on the reverse that do not align with described varieties.
Will need to post in multiple parts to show what I see. Appreciate any and all thoughts!
First, sorry no FCPs. I can get low quality ones done with my phone but don't think they'd help.
Far date - note there is a bit of toning in the 0 that makes it appear there are die chips, but I don't think there's any doubling or additional 'stuff' on the date to note:
OOPS, I see the picture rotated on me - hope you can see the far date even if the picture is upside down!
Next, there is an extensive scratch that begins in the har behind the ear that extends well into the bonnet:
I can post other pictures that capture it from a different angle but hopefully you can see it well enough here.
Next, there are significant scratches like the one above the L of LIBERTY as well as undescribed/unphotographed die scratches in the letters (I, B, E and R especially):
Again, I can post other pictures that show these from different angles but hopefully you can see them clearly enough.
Next, parallel scratches between the cotton bolls that are distinctly different than other obverses I've seen:
And a small, but noticeable scratch in the ear:
More pictures to follow...
Last edited by keilg1 on Sun Jun 11, 2023 3:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
Last obervse picture shows a clear hair 'D' area but scratches around the hair curl:
On the reverse, normal MM:
Clear bow:
Clear neck-wing gap:
Some interesting polishing lines off the bottom right feathers:
On the reverse, normal MM:
Clear bow:
Clear neck-wing gap:
Some interesting polishing lines off the bottom right feathers:
Re: Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
Potentially VERY important, looks to have doubling described on the VAM-19 of the trust:
Undescribed cracking along MER and RIC:
One more batch to follow...
Undescribed cracking along MER and RIC:
One more batch to follow...
Re: Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
Undescribed cracks from the left star to U(NITED):
Cracks along both wing tips:
Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated on this!
Cracks along both wing tips:
Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated on this!
Re: Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
Any early 90 experts out there? I'm holding off sending a message to JR and JB until I hear your thoughts.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Re: Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
I will look tonight . Gotta finish putting up corn.
Re: Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
Your coin matches my VAM 19A as far as the cracks go.
If you yours does not have the die chip on the left wreath at I of UNITED then it will be a VAM 19, though a latter die state of my coin.
I have attached some pics of my VAM 19 and the pick-ups you show of yours.
The first pic is of the VAM 19A die chip..
If you yours does not have the die chip on the left wreath at I of UNITED then it will be a VAM 19, though a latter die state of my coin.
I have attached some pics of my VAM 19 and the pick-ups you show of yours.
The first pic is of the VAM 19A die chip..
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Re: Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
Awesome and thanks. Does yours have the large scratch above the L of LIBERTY, too?
Re: Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
No it doesn't .
But my VAM 19A does.
But my VAM 19A does.
Re: Addition to the 1890-S VAM-10 body count? Or a VAM-19 with undescribed PUPs?
Thanks, @tmanhg, again. Mine appears to be a 'tweener' in that it has the L scratch/gouge on the obverse, some breakage along the MER on the reverse, but only a few die chips/mottling of the area where the die chip eventually forms at the I of UNITED.
Nice fun that has helped nail this as a VAM-19 'with flair.'
Nice fun that has helped nail this as a VAM-19 'with flair.'