REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

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REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by iwillbenice » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:37 pm

Is there any reason for a premium for the coin in these holders?

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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by vampicker » Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:45 am

Yes
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by iwillbenice » Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:53 am

I would like to know why?

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Post by TheFinn2 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:03 am

Same reason as a premium on GSA holders, PCGS Doily slabs, NGC black slabs, etc. People are willing to pay more because they are scarce and have a perceived value.
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Post by CascadeChris » Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:12 am

TheFinn2 wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:03 am
Same reason as a premium on GSA holders, PCGS Doily slabs, NGC black slabs, etc. People are willing to pay more because they are scarce and have a perceived value.
Not really Finn. It's more about the incredible story of a reclusive legend and his amazing hoard of silver dollars than it is about general plastic collecting. I highly suggest reading a book called "The Amazing Life of LeVere Redfield" as it is such a cool, wierd and awesome story. I think I can find it online and post a link if you dont want to pay the $10 or so for the paperback version..
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Post by CascadeChris » Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:14 am

That said, the reason why Redfields typically go for less in cracked-out Redfield attributed TPG slabs is more about killing the originality than it is actually wanting the paramount plastic.
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by TheFinn2 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:19 am

That is true. But all collectibles hace a perceived value. If I were in the woods after a roaring bout of diarrhea, a roll of toilet paper would be far more valuable to me than a roll of dollars - silver or otherwise.
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Post by morganman » Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:52 am

The redfield holders are a integril part of numismatic history and as such command a premium from sellers
Fortunately i knew lavere redfield personally- and bought many of his ungraded raw dollars
I still own about 20,000 of them with paper work signed from him to back it up/authenticate
Each time i visited i made him give me a receipt for purchases- A ten yr period or so
i was young but had a great eye and cherry picked higher grade & PL/DMPL examples
Memories run deep of sitting eating sandwiches at his home in reno.
The cherrys of the hoard are CC pl/dmpl of all dates with some commons 67/68 dmpl A sight to see
All are original ungraded by choice
Huge hoards like this have dwindled with time which natrually
Maybe in our life times another stellar hoard will surface-
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by HawkeEye » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:16 am

There is an excellent biography of Redfield on Amazon and if you read it you will get more of the story.
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Post by vampicker » Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:06 pm

Paramount holders with no connection to Redfield also command a premium too.. But seriously, like any collectible, it has value because there are collectors. It really shouldn't be that hard for a VAM enthusiast to understand even if you don't like this particular sandbox and don't want to jump in. One of my best finds this past year was a 78-CC VAM 15 in a Paramount holder. I bought it from a Heritage auction, so I'm kinda glad there's a 'hater' camp.
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by bob259 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:06 pm

TheFinn2 wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:19 am
That is true. But all collectibles hace a perceived value. If I were in the woods after a roaring bout of diarrhea, a roll of toilet paper would be far more valuable to me than a roll of dollars - silver or otherwise.
I'd take the dollars and use leaves.

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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by CascadeChris » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:42 pm

vampicker wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:06 pm
Paramount holders with no connection to Redfield also command a premium too.. But seriously, like any collectible, it has value because there are collectors. It really shouldn't be that hard for a VAM enthusiast to understand even if you don't like this particular sandbox and don't want to jump in. One of my best finds this past year was a 78-CC VAM 15 in a Paramount holder. I bought it from a Heritage auction, so I'm kinda glad there's a 'hater' camp.
Hopefully that's just the warmup to a GSA in 2019! :mrgreen:
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by vampicker » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:46 pm

Already own the one known VAM 15 in a GSA holder. There may be more
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by CascadeChris » Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:09 pm

vampicker wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:46 pm
Already own the one known VAM 15 in a GSA holder. There may be more
Oh, I wasn't aware you had found one yet. Unless I was mistaken and you've had it a while but wanted another. Or was it a soft-pack 15 you need?
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by vampicker » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:18 pm

I've owned the only known example for several years. You might be thinking of another VAM. There are still 5 78-CCs that are unknown in GSA. VAM 24A is the only one known that I don't have an example of in GSA. It's also remained a pop 1 piece for several years. That's a piece that is likely well beyond my reach unless I get very lucky
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by vampicker » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:21 pm

But I wouldn't pass on another VAM 15 in either GSA hard or soft unless it was offered at stupid money. All hypothetical at this point
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by tbconcrete » Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:46 am

Super rare for a Redfield " Red Holder " for an 1878 S coin. The black ones have sold for $115 lately to $250+ in good times. Finding one that isn't a V86 is also rare. Good story and very collectible. People pay more. Not sure what I'd pay for a red holder in my date. But there are enough of us willing to pay.

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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by CascadeChris » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:08 am

I'd like a Green Redfield Morgan one day -any date- but when I see them they're stupid money and I can't afford stupid money just for plastic right now. :cry:
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by vampicker » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:01 am

Yeah, those are pretty rare. Don't think I've ever seen one in hand. Here's an example...

https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/2 ... lder-Toned
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Re: REDFIELD & PARAMOUNT HOLDERS?

Post by CascadeChris » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:34 am

vampicker wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:01 am
Yeah, those are pretty rare. Don't think I've ever seen one in hand. Here's an example...

https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/2 ... lder-Toned
Yup. I've seen 2, at shows. One at a Long Beach and one at the Anaheim ANA iirc. Maybe they were the same one though lol. Not entirely sure. Surprised you haven't at least seen one though, especially with the amount of traveling you do. Once my finances get back to pre 2016 levels I'll snap up the first that comes my way. I'm not really a plastic man but a green Redfield is a big exception.
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