1923-S Help Needed Update Possibly 1E1 or 1E2

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1923-S Help Needed Update Possibly 1E1 or 1E2

Post by Raybob15239 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:59 am

Update: May be a 1E1 or 1E2. Does anyone have a 1E1 or 1E2 to compare?


Been away for a while... periodically, I pick up something that looks interesting and this is one of those coins. Not sure if it's already listed, or if it is even worth sending to LVA.

Has what I saw as a double shoulder spike, with one against the neck and the other further out. The one further out appears to be a double spike under magnification.. There are heavy file lines on the obverse through the R and into the hair bun. That little bump at the top of the bun (that is in the hub) is almost polished away. Some of the lines go into the hair. There is a heavy line going through the T as well. Doesn't appear to be 1CK, 1U or 1AC. I don't have the last 2 or 3 updates, so I am going by what's on the 23S Peace Dollar pages.

Any thoughts? Is this worth sending into LVA. @davidkclose, @colwillys, do you recognize this?
23-S Obverse Heavy File Lines R and Bun View 3 (2-12-2021).jpg
23-S Obverse Heavy File Lines R and Bun View 3 (2-12-2021).jpg (140.51 KiB) Viewed 638 times
23-S Obverse Heavy File Lines R and Bun View 2 (2-12-2021).jpg
23-S Obverse Heavy File Lines R and Bun View 2 (2-12-2021).jpg (157.08 KiB) Viewed 638 times
23-S Obverse Heavy File Lines R and Bun View 1 (2-12-2021).jpg
23-S Obverse Heavy File Lines R and Bun View 1 (2-12-2021).jpg (142.44 KiB) Viewed 638 times
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23-S Obverse Heavy File Lines R and Bun View 3 (2-12-2021).jpg
23-S Obverse Heavy File Lines R and Bun View 3 (2-12-2021).jpg (140.51 KiB) Viewed 638 times
23-S Triple Shoulder Spike View 2 (2-12-2021).jpg
23-S Triple Shoulder Spike View 2 (2-12-2021).jpg (103.67 KiB) Viewed 638 times
23-S Triple Shoulder Spike View 1 (2-12-2021).jpg
23-S Triple Shoulder Spike View 1 (2-12-2021).jpg (81.54 KiB) Viewed 638 times
Thanks!

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Re: 1923-S Help Needed

Post by Raybob15239 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:12 am

Tried to zoom into the spikes
23-S Triple Shoulder Spike View 1 Zoomed (2-12-2021).jpg
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Re: 1923-S Help Needed

Post by colwillys » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:06 pm

Send it to LVA , Triple clash shoulder may done it . Nice die file line on OBV .

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Re: 1923-S Help Needed

Post by lured_in_again » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:18 pm

Had you checked out listings for 1E1 and 1E2 - wide clash (1E1)and diagonal lines by RT (1E2) Also possible thin die break listed on 1E2?

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Re: 1923-S Help Needed

Post by Raybob15239 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:05 pm

lured_in_again wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:18 pm
Had you checked out listings for 1E1 and 1E2 - wide clash (1E1)and diagonal lines by RT (1E2) Also possible thin die break listed on 1E2?
Thanks! 1E1 looks like it might be a match for the spikes. Unfortunately, the 1E2 page doesn’t have pics of the file lines. My coin does not have the die break on reverse on the 1E2 page. I wonder if anyone has pics?
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Re: 1923-S Help Needed Update Possibly 1E1 or 1E2

Post by Raybob15239 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:40 pm

If this is 1E2 (or 1), then we can add these pictures to the pages. Hopefully someone has an example of each to confirm.
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Re: 1923-S Help Needed Update Possibly 1E1 or 1E2

Post by davidkclose » Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:07 pm

I agree with VAM 1E2

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Re: 1923-S Help Needed Update Possibly 1E1 or 1E2

Post by Raybob15239 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:42 pm

Thank you!
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Re: 1923-S Help Needed Update Possibly 1E1 or 1E2

Post by colwillys » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:49 pm

I say NO to VAM 1E2 till I see break at UNI .. if no break 1E1 . looks like my Blanchard ms 63

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Re: 1923-S Help Needed Update Possibly 1E1 or 1E2

Post by Raybob15239 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:04 pm

It does not have the reverse break, but E1 doesn’t have the obverse file lines. Maybe it needs to go to LVA to revise E1 to include the scratches? That further out spike is also doubled...
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Re: 1923-S Help Needed Update Possibly 1E1 or 1E2

Post by Raybob15239 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:12 am

OK, there is a crack, but it is apparently a very early state... very thin line, but it's there.
23-S Rev UNIT Crack.jpg
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It ould seem that the Obverse file lines would have been present in the 1E. I may send this in just for the revision/clean up of 1E.
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Re: 1923-S Help Needed Update Possibly 1E1 or 1E2

Post by davidkclose » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:42 am

As I posted on another thread, the VAM 1E reverse was paired with 2 obverse dies. This is the 2nd obverse.

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Re: 1923-S Help Needed Update Possibly 1E1 or 1E2

Post by Raybob15239 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:21 pm

Can someone please add the above pictures to the 23S VAM1E2 page? We have no pictures of the clash or the obverse file lines on the page and I am unable to do it. Thanks.
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