1921-P isn't what ANACS said

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DHalladay
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1921-P isn't what ANACS said

Post by DHalladay » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:02 pm

1921-P VAM 6 has a complicated story.

It was discovered in 1978, revised in 2013, and then revised again in 2019. Along the way, VAM 92 (discovered in 2015) was determined to be the same as VAM 91 (discovered in 2014), which was then determined to be VAM 6. That’s why LVA’s official plate images for VAM 92 are on the VAM 6 attribution page.

Somewhere along the way, a coin I was recently sent to be confused by was graded by ANACS (small white holder) and attributed as VAM 6… which it is not. My request for help here and now is, what VAM is it?

Its date and all stars are doubled, but not as strongly as the description leads me to believe they would be.

There are definitely not polishing lines in/around the Y in Liberty’s headband, and what few polishing lines there are in/around the cotton bolls are thoroughly inconsequential.

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Nor does it have any of the other markers shown in the additional photos on the attribution page, including the cracks. The coin I’m posting about does have cracks – but none of them are shown on the VAM 6 page.

The scribbles on this coin don’t offer much help, other than a closely grouped cluster of 3 lines along the left side of the left scribbles zone (they resemble VAM 3FL). There is also a pretty heavy diagonal polishing gouge from the base of upper tail feather #4 that points at the middle of UTF #3.
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However, what should be all this coin needs for an attribution is the long and distinctive horizontal gouge across the eagle’s outer right wing feathers #6 and #7. There’s also a small dot on feather #4 and there are several polishing lines higher up in the wing.

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Re: 1921-P isn't what ANACS said

Post by DHalladay » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:03 pm

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Re: 1921-P isn't what ANACS said

Post by DHalladay » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:04 pm

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Re: 1921-P isn't what ANACS said

Post by vamsterdam » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:18 pm

hmm. i have seen that horizontal die gouge in the wing before.

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Re: 1921-P isn't what ANACS said

Post by DHalladay » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:41 pm

vamsterdam wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:18 pm
hmm. i have seen that horizontal die gouge in the wing before.

I had the same reaction.
Can't find anything that matches in my notes about coins I currently own, but it sure looks familiar.
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Re: 1921-P isn't what ANACS said

Post by vamsterdam » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:44 pm

i quite taking notes after my previous engagements either didn't work out. kinda took the wind out of my sales. but i remember this 1921.

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Re: 1921-P isn't what ANACS said

Post by Kissov » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:18 pm

Try VAM-10

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Re: 1921-P isn't what ANACS said

Post by messydesk » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:28 pm

As soon as I saw that horizontal gouge in the wing, I thought of VAM 10.
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Re: 1921-P isn't what ANACS said

Post by DHalladay » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:37 pm

Kissov wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:18 pm
Try VAM-10
Bingo!
Thanks very much.
I'm amazed by how useless the current VAM 10 die crack break guide is for this one.
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