1922-P collar and shoulder clashes:

[Geseas]

Hello everyone. Any ideas for this VAM?

The shoulder spikes seem to have been almost polished away. This leads me to a VAM-41A.

Does the VAM-41A or VAM-3A have a hint of a collar clash on Rev.?
Thank you for your comments and insight.

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Thank you @colwillys

[colwillys]

low grade VAM 3A with collar clash . No to VAM 41A .

[Geseas]

Would anyone have a picture of a 1922-P VAM-3A reverse?

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http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... everse.jpg This is the only photo I can locate.
Thanks for help.

[RogerB]

What is the white caret pointing to?

[Geseas]

What is the white caret pointing to?

White caret is pointing at the location of shoulder clash spikes. I have not found where the little arrows are on this machine yet.

[RogerB]

OK. I thought they might point to a "collar clash" which is impossible at that location on the coin.

[Geseas]

OK. I thought they might point to a "collar clash" which is impossible at that location on the coin.

Thanks @RogerB I have experimented with different ways/methods of indicating a detail within a photograph; because I can't seem to find the 'good little arrows' on a Chrome OS.
I think a series of 'little dots' is the best. In my opinion. Here's a sample of what I mean from an old post:

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This is easy to do on this machine I have. I find Leroy's arrows to be vague, kind of like that white caret above. This is especially true when Vamworld is your only point of reference.

[RogerB]

Here are some things I do as work-arounds.

Prepare the image normally, then open MSword. Next, insert a table with one cell for each photo you want to publish or add details to. Save the file. Open the file and use MSWord to add arrows, call-outs and other graphics over the image. When you have what you want, save the file.

To turn the Word page into an image you can either, open the file, right click on the image and select "Save As" Picture. You can also do "Copy" and then Paste it into the Google imaging program, and work from there. Another way is to save the Word page as an Adobe PDF using 2400 dpi resolution, then save the PDF as JPG with highest quality and 300 or 600 dpi resolution.

All of these options should preserve the arrows, etc. Here's a sample from a book on Eagles I'm writing.

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[RogerB]

PS: Google "Chrome" might have a "pen" tool; this is where you might find arrows in a sub menu.

[Geseas]

PS: Google "Chrome" might have a "pen" tool; this is where you might find arrows in a sub menu.

This is what I did. You will be seeing some creative arrows from me after a little practice. Thanks, RWB.

[RogerB]

Glad to be of help!

[Geseas]

Please check out these lines. I made the nicest arrows for the photo but it would not let me export them. The Google program would not let go; until they made some money somehow.

Have to work with these arrows for now...(they are by Google also. Payed for when computer was purchased.)

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Here are the lines on the Vamworld photo of the 1922-P VAM-41A:

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The file lines seem very close to a match: that may only count in the game of horseshoes.

I am embarrassed to show you the Obv.; Low grade as @colwillys mentioned. The obverse was painted with something and I have been experimenting on it with acetone and what I have learned here on this site to remove.

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This next photo is after an agitated on/off, many day soak.

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Looks like a long deal but you can see some progress...


How would you go about seeing a full Rev. photo of these two Vams? I have no hard book reference material yet; just the internet.



Thanks for any suggestions.

[RogerB]

RE: " I made the nicest arrows for the photo but it would not let me export them. The Google program would not let go; until they made some money somehow."

Can you merge the arrows into your photo, save, and then export the saved photo to your computer?

(PS: The whole concept of continually paying for access to a software program is, to me, repugnant.)

[Geseas]

Thank you RWB for your continued support of this topic.


photo test:

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Persistence pays off. The key was in the 'save as' button.
I will be checking out those arrows in your new book when it's published.

[RogerB]

The software should also allow you to select the shank width (in pixels) and the head type/shape/length. That will let you define arrows (like the one in my illustration) to your liking, then scale them to photos of differing resolutions.

PS: Interesting reverse clashes, too!

[crabscrape]

What does the caret have to do with the question asked here on this thread? like I always said has nothing to do with what question was asked!!!!!!!

[crabscrape]

I can tell Everyone about the collar clashes that have been posted over the years. Please stop the drama!

[pup_picker]

paint.net is pretty useful and free.

you can also use PtrScr on the keyboard to get snapshots of what you are working on completely circumnavigating ANY software program but you aren't saving as nice of an image.

also windows "snip" is one of my all-time favorites. does the same thing as above except you pick the specific area to "snapshot" instead of the whole screen like PrtScr does.

i'm sure the basic program paint or win10 superpaint can do most of what you need. been using it for years for impressive stuff considering the simplicity of the program.

if you have any axe body spray, that stuff can remove some pretty stubborn surface contaminants but spray it into a cloth or paper towel lest your whole house smell like that crap. then wipe/dip in acetone or alcohol to remove the fragrance and then rinse in hot water to complete the project. be careful with any valuable/high-grade coins and make sure you have ventillation when using anything on coins. breathing that stuff in and out for years cannot be good.

i've never used paint thinner on coins but i'm sure a diluted version of it would work on that coin and it looks like a good test coin.

[colwillys]

With a test coin try Ammonia janitorial strength . (ACE hardware )... Ventilation is a must .
15to20 seconds and wash with hot water pat dry . DO NOT uses MS or valuable coin .

[Geseas]

Thanks for the helpful comments and suggestions.
This coin pictured here has Shoulder Spikes and a Collar Clash on the reverse. . These are both, arguably, stand-alone VAM attributions, according to Leroy.
I can not find another photo of any 1922-P on Vamworld or anywhere else that has a reverse like this. In my opinion, the following photo is of a rare coin; low grade as it is. Please prove me wrong with a photo or a link would be great. A snapshot of a coin with collar clash and shoulder spikes would do it for me. Thanks for a great site here.

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If you don't I am going to figure out how to send this ugly coin to Leroy.