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Thorn Head question

Post by ljs123 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:31 pm

I know very little about Thorn Heads.
Recently I received my bulk submission from JB.
1. 1878-P VAM-9 no grade
2. 1880-P VAM-53A AU-50. It seems like I'm growing a grading set of these. :)
3. 1921-S VAM-1B5 XF-40

Is the 1B5 a good find? In the SSDC it seems like there are fewer 1B5s than some of the others. But it also looks like there are more 1B5 than some of the others. It is the first raw Thorn Head that I have run across.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by messydesk » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:38 pm

VAM 1B5 is a Good Find. Not as good as 1B7, but still a really good one.
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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by ljs123 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:27 pm

Thank you

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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by DHalladay » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:23 pm

1B7 is pretty much in a class of its own.
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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by Geseas » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:50 pm

DHalladay wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:23 pm
1B7 is pretty much in a class of its own.
Dennis. Would you have a photo of a 1B7 to share? I am interested in this area above the ear on a 1921 S I have been studying. Thank you. Appreciate all your help.
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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by DHalladay » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:02 pm

Sorry but I do not have a photo, as I have never owned one of those.
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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by messydesk » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:26 pm

The bit above the ear looks like a planchet defect.
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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by Geseas » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:31 pm

messydesk wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:26 pm
The bit above the ear looks like a planchet defect.
Thanks John. Where I am stuck is with what I see as a 'transition area.'

It seems to me there is an area where a die crack turns it self into a planchet delamination somehow. To me it is as if the die crack 'sucks up' the faulty planchet lamination at the time of minting. If the die crack was not there the delamination in the planchet would never be discovered....So if the die crack causes the lamination error, wouldn't that make the delamination a die error? I will try to illustrate with another photo.
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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by RogerRock » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:04 pm

1921 S VAM 1B5 is my favorite Thorn Head variety with eight die gouges. My specimen was graded by ANACS as AU 50. Great find Lee!
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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by Geseas » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:18 pm

ljs123 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:31 pm
I know very little about Thorn Heads.
Recently I received my bulk submission from JB.
1. 1878-P VAM-9 no grade
2. 1880-P VAM-53A AU-50. It seems like I'm growing a grading set of these. :)
3. 1921-S VAM-1B5 XF-40

Is the 1B5 a good find? In the SSDC it seems like there are fewer 1B5s than some of the others. But it also looks like there are more 1B5 than some of the others. It is the first raw Thorn Head that I have run across.

Thanks for any help.
I apologize ljs123 for stepping in on your post. Saw the word Thornhead and got excited.

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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by ljs123 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:52 pm

Geseas wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:18 pm
ljs123 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:31 pm
I know very little about Thorn Heads.
Recently I received my bulk submission from JB.
1. 1878-P VAM-9 no grade
2. 1880-P VAM-53A AU-50. It seems like I'm growing a grading set of these. :)
3. 1921-S VAM-1B5 XF-40

Is the 1B5 a good find? In the SSDC it seems like there are fewer 1B5s than some of the others. But it also looks like there are more 1B5 than some of the others. It is the first raw Thorn Head that I have run across.

Thanks for any help.
I apologize ljs123 for stepping in on your post. Saw the word Thornhead and got excited.

No problem. I'm glad to learn about the Thornheads.
:)

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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by Geseas » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:08 pm

ljs123 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:52 pm
Geseas wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:18 pm
ljs123 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:31 pm
I know very little about Thorn Heads.
Recently I received my bulk submission from JB.
1. 1878-P VAM-9 no grade
2. 1880-P VAM-53A AU-50. It seems like I'm growing a grading set of these. :)
3. 1921-S VAM-1B5 XF-40

Is the 1B5 a good find? In the SSDC it seems like there are fewer 1B5s than some of the others. But it also looks like there are more 1B5 than some of the others. It is the first raw Thorn Head that I have run across.

Thanks for any help.
I apologize ljs123 for stepping in on your post. Saw the word Thornhead and got excited.

No problem. I'm glad to learn about the Thornheads.
:)
The coin pictured here is probably not a thornhead, just a D2a Reverse. I will picture coin in another post once I can get photos together.
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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by VamHelsing » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:36 pm

The 1B3 is also exceedingly hard to find.

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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by keydates » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:54 am

I have had 4 1b7
Picked 2 raw off e bay and got both in pcgs au 55 holder
Rob Joyce sold me his out of his set saying he wanted me to have one.
That was the first one I had.
I do have a xf 45+ in pcgs holder that I will look at crack you are asking about and let you know.

Yes the 1b3 is tough.

Rob also sold me his 1b3 to fill my set.

I picked a raw one and it is in for grading at this time.

Love them and I was able to get Mike At pcgs to put each one in holders and make 10 piece set several years back.

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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by Geseas » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:54 pm

keydates wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:54 am
I have had 4 1b7
Picked 2 raw off e bay and got both in pcgs au 55 holder
Rob Joyce sold me his out of his set saying he wanted me to have one.
That was the first one I had.
I do have a xf 45+ in pcgs holder that I will look at crack you are asking about and let you know.

Yes the 1b3 is tough.

Rob also sold me his 1b3 to fill my set.

I picked a raw one and it is in for grading at this time.

Love them and I was able to get Mike At pcgs to put each one in holders and make 10 piece set several years back.
Thanks for your efforts keydates. I find the whole thornhead story fascinating but I have never seen one.

Here is a photo from vamworld with arrows to show kind of what I was looking to discover:
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Re: Thorn Head question

Post by JASONKFLO » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:22 pm

very cool I have been occasionally looking to cherry pick one on Ebay but so far no luck
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