New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

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New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by cmerlo1 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:41 pm

My buddy @shortnock acquired this counterfeit 1922 Peace dollar yesterday, mixed in with a bunch of dollars one of the local dealers picked up. He gave it to me today, knowing I collect counterfeits. In looking at the rays and lettering it appears they used the reverse from a 1921. It has a lot of manual touch-up of the letters on both the obverse and reverse, and I noticed while photographing it that the second 2 has obviously been added to a '192' dated die. That makes me think it might be modern Chinese, but it does show wear and signs of age, as well as damage. Weight is 25.3 grams and it is non-magnetic. Has anyone seen this particular counterfeit before?

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by pup_picker » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:08 pm

pretty nice one too. i bet that would fly through most shops and be never the wiser.

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by vamnuke » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:03 pm

:evil:

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by RogerB » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:36 pm

Interesting fake. Resembles impact transfer dies. Might predate the explosion of Chinese fakes.

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by shortnock » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:12 pm

Also note that it has a higher-pitched sound when given the "ring" test. Its reverse of 1921 is what caught the eye.






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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by HawkeEye » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:50 am

Was the dealer selling it as genuine?
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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by cmerlo1 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:15 pm

HawkeEye wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:50 am
Was the dealer selling it as genuine?
No. It was in a bin of dollars they had recently purchased. @shortnock and I sometimes get to look through them before the dealer has a chance to, specifically because we occasionally find key dates or stuff like this. It was purchased from the dealer as a counterfeit.

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by Kurt28 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:38 am

From my own collection.
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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by RogerB » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:25 pm

Same dies?

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by RogerB » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:28 pm

cmerlo and kurt28.

Would each of you permit me to possibly use your photos in the next Guide Book of Peace Dollars edition? If so, please PM me with permission and also how you want the credit line to read.

Thanks!

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by vampicker » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:16 pm

RogerB wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:25 pm
Same dies?
Looks like Kurt's piece has a B2 reverse design
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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by Kurt28 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:45 pm

Roger, I'm honored.
You are welcome to use the pics.
PM sent but not registering in sent mail box.
Contact me at Jarms@tznet.com and I'll send large raw photos.

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by RogerB » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:47 am

Reply sent via email.

PM did not show up....odd.

Anyone else with counterfeit Peace dollar photos, please let me know. he book has a fixed page count so I have to be certain there is enough useful material to justify the changes.

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by vampicker » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:04 pm

Kinda fond of my brass slug
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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by VamHelsing » Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:15 pm

Any use for a fake Morgan? I have one.
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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by RogerB » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:08 pm

Well, it's a Peace dollar book....but if you have a fake 1922 Morgan....that might work.

That brass thing barely counts as a counterfeit.... :)

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by vampicker » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:05 pm

RogerB wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:08 pm
That brass thing barely counts as a counterfeit.... :)
Sure, but it's actually circulated.
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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by JohnGoldsmith » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:30 pm

I have a 1886 CC and a 1885 S.
I like the 1885 S because it clashed and shows a E.
Awful specimens but I wonder how long did his die last after the clash.

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by VamHelsing » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:55 pm

Also pretty sure I still have a 1799-CC Trade dollar...

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Re: New Counterfeit Peace Dollar for the Collection

Post by jrfaust » Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:25 pm

Roger, here's my only Peace$ counterfeit. Didn't know it was a fake till I sent it to Leroy (oops) :shock:
Here's a couple pics and the paperwork from Leroy.
Enjoy!
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