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1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:56 pm
by vamsterdam
Just went through a collection and found an identical to the one posted on vamworld. Clearly an 1889 tripled clashed obverse with 84cx reverse. Same raised bumps on obverse, same machined in reverse, same denticles, same flaw at u of united, machine doubling on reverse, flaw at last a of america. What happened to the one that was reported??

Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:59 pm
by vamsterdam
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1889cc v7
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Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:47 pm
by vampicker
It's die struck. I've seen a few of these now

Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:51 pm
by DHalladay
vampicker wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:47 pm
It's die struck. I've seen a few of these now

Are they die-struck real or die-struck fake?

Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:10 pm
by messydesk
My impression when I first saw one of these was that it was a sandwich coin, but if there are more, I guess it's a die struck fake.

Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:34 pm
by vampicker
Fake, using the parents Brian mentioned. I thought this was a sandwich job when I first saw it too, but I've now seen multiples and the lumps are in the same spots.

Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:10 pm
by RogerB
The easy determinant is the edge: wrong denticles. Correction - "wrong reeds"

Vampicker - Thanks for catching my error! :D

Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:32 am
by vamsterdam
At first i thought it was a simple sandwich job, machine out the reverse of a 1889p(that’s what caused the lumps), then machine off the obverse of an 1884cc, then sandwich them together. I never imagined that they made dies from their original frankenstein coin.
The lumps in the field were what caught the 1992p 1c with the reverse of 1993. They dis such a great job os machining out reverses that they made it look like a collar clash when they put them together. However, the machining process caused the zinc to hear up and disturb the surface.

Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:12 pm
by vampicker
RogerB wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:10 pm
The easy determinant is the edge: wrong denticles.
@RogerB I gotta ask because it's come up a few times and left me scratching my head. When you refer to 'denticles', what element are you referencing - the fluting on the edge or the interior rim teeth?

Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:18 pm
by RogerB
vampicker wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:12 pm
RogerB wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:10 pm
The easy determinant is the edge: wrong denticles.
@RogerB I gotta ask because it's come up a few times and left me scratching my head. When you refer to 'denticles', what element are you referencing - the fluting on the edge or the interior rim teeth?
My mistake -- I meant to say "reeds" not denticles.

Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:51 pm
by vampicker
All good, and with that in mind I agree with you

Re: 1889cc vam 7 counterfeit

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:13 pm
by VamHelsing
I owned the original "DC". It was sent to Leroy to confirm it was fake.
It was assigned Vam7 instead. It was sold to a fellow VW member
who has the option of revealing himself. Or not.