Unsure how to proceed

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DurhamJnKY
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Unsure how to proceed

Post by DurhamJnKY » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:39 pm

Hello.

I'm new to all of this. Only been collecting Morgan's for a year or so and have just started looking into the die varieties I may have. So far, I've come across an 1884 CC-4B and an 1885 CC-2A. None of the coins have been professionally graded. I believe I've seen on here that ANACS is the place to go for attributes. I've never sent coins for grading so I need to look into how that is done.

But that's not the main thing I need help with. I have several 1889 S all with the same die gouges or scratches, Looking through everything I can find on here and at any I see on ebay I haven't found another.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by shortnock » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:58 pm

Wow! Never saw those before. Good luck with finding the answer.
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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by vamsterdam » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:04 pm

i have never seen anything like this on 1889s. from the first picture it's hard believing these are in the die. from the second picture, even though they are identical, it is hard to tell what is going on here. die scratches, gouges, and clashes don't leave dark streaks on coins. improper metal impurities could, but it would be virtually impossible for three coins to be struck with same impurities aligned in the same place and direction as these. planchets are not fed so as to make them have the same planchet grain orientation. so, i'll let someone else explain this.

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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by DHalladay » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:06 pm

Very interesting... whatever those are.
We need to messydesk and/or vampicker to take a look at them.
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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by VamHelsing » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:15 pm

Welcome to the site!

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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by DurhamJnKY » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:25 pm

vamsterdam wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:04 pm
i have never seen anything like this on 1889s. from the first picture it's hard believing these are in the die. from the second picture, even though they are identical, it is hard to tell what is going on here. die scratches, gouges, and clashes don't leave dark streaks on coins. improper metal impurities could, but it would be virtually impossible for three coins to be struck with same impurities aligned in the same place and direction as these. planchets are not fed so as to make them have the same planchet grain orientation. so, i'll let someone else explain this.
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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by colwillys » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:54 pm

Could this be counterfeit . What is the weight of each coin . Nice find what ever it is and 3 coins .

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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by ...kenny » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:58 pm

Welcome to the madness!... :lol:
Can you post full coin pics? Obverse and reverse if possible.
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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by DurhamJnKY » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:29 pm

...kenny wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:58 pm
Welcome to the madness!... :lol:
Can you post full coin pics? Obverse and reverse if possible.
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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by DurhamJnKY » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:30 pm

colwillys wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:54 pm
Could this be counterfeit . What is the weight of each coin . Nice find what ever it is and 3 coins .
I do not know their weight.

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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by alefzero » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:09 pm

One of my discoveries, 1884 VAM-17, had weird gouges/scratches in the legend, by the E and last left star though. Might have a similar cause.

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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by ljs123 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:22 pm

The mm location doesn’t match any known 89-S.
The coin looks off to me.

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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by RogerB » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:28 pm

Right side of eagle and wing are "off." Same for tail. Both sides are "puffy" as if the coin has edema. Broken "B" in Pluribus. Likely counterfeit.
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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by alefzero » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:30 pm

It was struck with a slight relative pitch between the dies. Look at the serif starvation on the I of UNITED and the increasingly mushy fill in the reverse motto as you look from left to right.

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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by DHalladay » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:31 pm

Looks counterfeit to me too.
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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by jgrinz » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:39 pm

DHalladay wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:31 pm
Looks counterfeit to me too.
a-yup me too
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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by DurhamJnKY » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:47 pm

jgrinz wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:39 pm
DHalladay wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:31 pm
Looks counterfeit to me too.
a-yup me too
Well, I guess that explains why I never found another. Thanks to you all.

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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by fogie » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:27 pm

I am going with counterfit. Pitting on reverse above leaves.....

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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by CascadeChris » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:14 pm

As others have said, regarding the 89's odds are they're fakes unfortunately and they do have the "look" going by the LFCPs you posted. What do they weigh? Also, drop a real Morgan on a hard surface from about 6-8 inches. Then drop one of the 89's and repeat a few times. I bet you'll notice the high-pitched "ping" sound youll hear with the legit Morgan will sound different with the 89. The 89 will probably sound more like low-pitched "thud" than a high-pitched "ping" or in some way sound different.
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Re: Unsure how to proceed

Post by vamsterdam » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:03 pm

Not struck like any 1889s that i have ever seen. I’m betting in counterfeit.

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