1901 Silver Dollar

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lhnumis1
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1901 Silver Dollar

Post by lhnumis1 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:44 pm

Is the illustrated coin a VAM19?
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Re: 1901 Silver Dollar

Post by impairedsquirrel » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:18 pm

Oops, actually 19 looks pretty good. Sorry, the reverse pic threw me off at first,
I go totally NUTS for WOW! VAMs!! Or is that from WOW! VAMs?

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Re: 1901 Silver Dollar

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:56 pm

VAM-19 shares the same obverse as VAM-3. The VAM-3 obverse PUP is shown below.

The VAM-19 reverse has a few one & done PUPs. They are the gouge at N of ONE and pitting at the right side of the 2nd L in DOLLAR as shown below. If your coin has all three PUPs, then it is a VAM-19. Beware, the reverse die is shared with a different obverse die that also has a doubled Liberty Profile, which is an evil mimic to VAM-19, but is indeed a different die pair.
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VAM-19 Reverse PUP. Pitting Right Side of Vertical Shaft of 2nd L in DOLLAR
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Re: 1901 Silver Dollar

Post by lhnumis1 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:14 pm

Thank you LateDateMorganGuy for supplying the key features that confirm a VAM19, I am new to VAM and could not find info about the VAM19 on the VAM19 webpage, that you were able to supply. Incidentally, Is additional info on individual VAM webpages available elsewhere on the VAM site?

See the images below confirming the PUPs.

Thanks again LateDATEMorganGuy for sharing your knowledge.

Best regards,

SRS
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Re: 1901 Silver Dollar

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:22 pm

I am not aware of additional info for specific VAMs above and beyond what you see on the individual VAM pages. Sometimes maybe in the toggles in the Contents Box at the top of the page, but I would assume it would be the exception.

By the way, I am responsible for the VAM-19 listing.

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Re: 1901 Silver Dollar

Post by lhnumis1 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:10 pm

Thanks for the follow-up LateDateMorganGuy...and for your creation of the VAM19 listing. Out of curiosity, do you recall the VAM # of the evil mimic?...If so, could you send it along as a post?...I sure would like to compare it with my obverse.

Thanks for the comment impairedsquirrel. A quick question...is the VAM19 a "WOW" VAM? What is a WOW VAM?...please forgive a newby question...still getting used to the system.

Kindest regards to both LateDateMorganGuy and impairedsquirrel who replied and helped put this one to rest,

SRS

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Re: 1901 Silver Dollar

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:35 pm

Quite frankly I am not convinced you have a VAM-19. The photo of the E of LIBERTY you show kinda looks right, but I am not sure. The use of the VAM-3 obverse is the 2nd use of that die, so the gouge/scratch at the E would be weaker. The VAM-19 reverse die is the 2nd use, so the one & done PUPS for it will be weaker, which your photos show. So I am not sure either way. Below is a photo of a die marker the other obverse. If you have an example of the other die pair, as far as I can tell it is not listed.

But, the second obverse die pair is also a normal date and does have a doubled LIBERTY profile like the listing coin for VAM-19, so technically it falls into VAM-19, as "multiple die pairs may exist".
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Re: 1901 Silver Dollar

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:39 pm

Another way to do this is by date placement. Look at the photos below and see which one your coin matches.
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Re: 1901 Silver Dollar

Post by lhnumis1 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:27 am

Thanks LateDateMorganGuy for taking the time for such a thorough analysis…it is much appreciated.
In my Excel spreadsheet comment, I described the date as follows: ‘DATE SET IN NORMAL POSITION, 2.50. The smaller image appears to be set closer to a near date (2.2 or so). In addition, the smaller image appears to exhibit ‘squared off’ transitions from the left side of the uprights, of both ones in the date, with the left lower serifs of the ones.
The larger image appears to have the date set at a normal 2.5. In addition, it exhibits smooth, continuous transitions to the lower left serifs of both ones. It seems to me that the larger image is closer to my coin. See date image of my coin in the attachment.
I enclose an image of the same area on my coin as noted in describing the die marker for the ‘other’ obverse (VAM3, I believe). I believe the marker is the two parallel, diagonal die scratches or polishing lines passing through the ‘Dee”. My coin in hand does not show the die marker. The image itself seems to show weak parallel lines (again not visible in hand-15X loupe)but, careful examination of my coin image shows the 'lines' set much below the 'die marker' lines.
I hope the above helps some.
SRS
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Re: 1901 Silver Dollar

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:48 am

Yup, VAM-19. There is a polished LDS which is what your coin is. Thanks for the additional photos.

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Re: 1901 Silver Dollar

Post by lhnumis1 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:15 pm

Thank you LDMG for helping to confirm the VAM19. It is much appreciated. I am working on another point regarding this coin and may post again at a later date.

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