Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

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Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by shortnock » Wed May 27, 2020 7:58 pm

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Folks, The 1878 P, reverse of 1979, specimen in hand has only one (for sure) Pick Up Point...the die chip on the reverse left wreath, as shown in NESVT's photo of VAM 222 D. The obverse PUPs do not match anything on the VW site. The point of fourth star on the right is damaged, but not broken away. Anybody have any ideas?

Edited to add that it shows NESVT's photo of VAM 222 D reverse.
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by shortnock » Wed May 27, 2020 9:08 pm

1878 P brkn 4th star hc.jpg
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Here's a view of the semi-broken fourth star on the right. Is it, PERHAPS, a repaired star?

Edited to add that this broken star is similar to the one shown on obverse of VAM 131,

Would appreciate your thoughts.
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by shortnock » Sun May 31, 2020 6:39 pm

So far, more than 50 lookers, and nobody has a comment.
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by vamnuke » Sun May 31, 2020 8:50 pm

C reverses can be tough; from photo, looks as if U of UNITED is doubled on inside? If so, then C3b reverse; with broken 4th star V 222, 222A, 222B, 222C & 222D (which you ruled out) would be ones to focus on.

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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by vampicker » Sun May 31, 2020 10:41 pm

Yeah, probably need several more pics. The stuff may seem like it shows nothing but these might help a lot
the T of UNITED
the inside of the bow
the upper tail feathers with both legs showing
the upper half of the bearclaw
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by mark » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:52 am

My guess is VAM-221-3.

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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by shortnock » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:39 pm

Vampicker, and others, thanks for chiming in. Here are additional photos.
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by 4sdair » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:42 pm

Try 228.4

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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by shortnock » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:45 pm

You may find something in these, but where do they match?
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by shortnock » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:49 pm

Forgot the T. Thanks, again, to the 'Crusher for suggesting PUPs.
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by vamnuke » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:45 pm

agree 228.4 looks like a good candidate.

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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by vampicker » Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:34 am

I also agree VAM 228-4
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by shortnock » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:56 pm

Thanks to 'Crusher and others. Your help is much appreciated. Should have been able to attribute here, (Blush).
Followed the C3b reverse with the chip on the wreath (of VAM 222 D) which is on this coin.
CURIOUSLY, the 228-4 reverse is listed as having C3a reverse. However, this specimen has the C3b reverse.
Does that make it a switched-out die pairing during production?
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by vampicker » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:07 pm

Some deceptive strike doubling bit you here. The T of UNITED proves it's not a C3b reverse.

There's always a 'spur' (a doubled base of the T) at the lower right of the T on the C3b reverse. It looks like this...
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by shortnock » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:21 pm

'Crusher, Thanks for letting me down easy, BUT...The "T" is not what did the biting. It was the dot on the left wreath. Shown on the coin in hand here. This experience has been very educational, hereabouts.
Not a big deal, but would you reconsider the reverse to be C3b instead of C3a?
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by vampicker » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:34 pm

Nope, it's the doubling on the left side of the reverse that defines this group
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by shortnock » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:50 am

Rendering a deep bow to your knowledge. ;)
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Re: Morgan 1878 P VAM 22?-?

Post by vampicker » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:39 am

Think that little chip is in the hub
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