Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

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RogerB
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Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by RogerB » Fri May 01, 2020 5:53 pm

This post card has an early non-numismatist description of a partial collar Morgan dollar. The writer thought it so unusual that it might merit inclusion in the US Mint's Columbian Exposition display.

Original and transcription are presented for members' convenience. The file in available in RG104 E-1 Box 179 on NNP.
18930128 Defective 1879 dollar-partial collar.jpg
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Washington, D.C.
January 28, 1893

Gentleman [sic]

Noticing your name in the Washington Star under heading Columbia Half Dollar, I take the pleasure to inform you that I am in possession of a U.S. Silver Doll of 1879, which must have left the Mint impaired in regard to finish. I have never seen the like and I suppose you neither.
Half of the Edge is ridges and the other half is smooth and elevated almost 1/48 part of an inch.
Would this dollar be a fit subject of Rarity for the Exposition?
If you desire to examine it I would be pleased to show it to you.
Awaiting your reply,
Yours,
J. Brock
509. 4-1/2 St. S.W.
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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by Longstrider » Fri May 01, 2020 6:32 pm

Interesting. Thanks.🐍

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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by morganman » Fri May 01, 2020 7:05 pm

Thanks much Roger for this post; I have long collected The railroad rim Morgans and am especially
fond of the partial reeds partial railroad 50/50 examples

I have a few that portray 50/50 railroad rims as well as nice
various Struck thru's, A nice double errorof which is tough to find
I started collecting railroads at age 25 so 40 yrs ago

About 20 yrs I sold a CC- I think 81cc in 64dmpl that brought a lot
of money, 50/50 railroad and i havent seen one since,
pretty sure a 81 cc

Most are now kept in tight hands with very few surfacing and command
nice premiums natrually. they are of my favorite errors
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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by vamnuke » Fri May 01, 2020 10:45 pm

:)

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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by iceman » Fri May 01, 2020 11:08 pm

Morganman
Can you point us in the direction of seeing a example of the railroad Morgan .
Just wanted to see a example , It sounds interesting and cool .
Thanks
John
Always Cool to pickup some knowledge on Morgans and What not !!
Is it a spacing on reeds on the RIM ? Some Missing ?

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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by collectinsince65 » Sat May 02, 2020 12:18 am

Hey John @iceman
I thought you posed a great question because I didn't know or have a clue what this was.
There are several listed on you know where.
None are mine
I did find an interesting link which gave me some info

https://varietyerrors.com/coin-price-gu ... ice-guide/

Mike

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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by iceman » Sat May 02, 2020 12:57 am

Mike
Maybe your right the partial collar is like a railroad line . I see it now. AHH .
Lets let Morganman educate us on this , He would know !!! And Verify this .
John
But it does look like a railroad 1/2 of the line . I just never knew this , Learn something everyday !!!

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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by morganman » Sat May 02, 2020 1:20 am

Variety errors.com explains this oddity quite well, while showing a decent pic of the partial RR rim
The FULL RR rim, natrually has no reeding period and is amazing as well
They are offered up for sale, mostly on Bay and very in price as to grade and mint mark
Natrually a CC RR rim gets spendy Fast in MS

Owning one if you dont have one is a great topic o conversation and a must have IMHO
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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by RogerB » Sat May 02, 2020 1:30 am

"Railroad Rim" was a common name for these full or partial out of collar coins. Of course, the striking error is clearest ton the edge although the rim in that part of the coin is affected.

A really interesting error and I can understand the postcard writer, who lived in Washington, D.C., thinking it was display worthy. As we all know the US Mint does not like to display its mistakes - nor even acknowledge them unless pressured to do so.

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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by indian4 » Sat May 02, 2020 1:51 am

Very interesting stuff. Good post
I hate this fracking coin...for now

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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by messydesk » Sat May 02, 2020 2:29 am

There are also pictures of partial collars in the VAM book, alongside other ultra rare Morgan striking errors (massive off center, multiple strikes, die caps). As Morgan errors go, partial collars aren't common, but they aren't prohibitively expensive.
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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by vampicker » Sat May 02, 2020 4:07 pm

Here's one of mine
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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by iceman » Sat May 02, 2020 4:58 pm

Vampicker
Thanks for the example !!! COOL !!!
John

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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by lured_in_again » Sat May 02, 2020 7:46 pm

Very nice, here's a partial partial collar I posted a month or so ago.
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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by RogerB » Sun May 03, 2020 2:05 am

Does anyone have an 1879? Maybe someone has THE coin the card writer mentioned?

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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by vampicker » Sun May 03, 2020 2:21 pm

I have a circ 79-S
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Re: Early mention of a partial collar Morgan dollar

Post by vamsterdam » Sun May 03, 2020 6:39 pm

I also have an 1879s , and sold a couple of 1878s, and an 1899o vam 6 railroad rim/partial collar.

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