Morgan 1921 D1 Reverse Right Ribbon

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Kissov
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Morgan 1921 D1 Reverse Right Ribbon

Post by Kissov » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:03 pm

Several 1921-P D1 reverse VAMs show an arcing line below the right ribbon.

For example the pages for 1AB, 1AJ, and 1BF all show or comment on this line below the ribbon.

The line looks like this on VAM-1BN (the page does not mention this line):

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I made a very non-scientific survey of a selection of D1 reverse VAMs and found the following all showed this feature to some degree:
  • 1R
  • 1Y
  • 1AB
  • 1AT
  • 1BF
  • 1BH
  • 1BN
  • 19
  • 20
  • 21
  • 40A
  • 55A
  • 78
  • 86
  • 102
  • 105
I am sure that there are more that show this feature.

This suggests that this feature might be similar to the "necklace" varieties, perhaps a defect of the master die.

DHalladay
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Re: Morgan 1921 D1 Reverse Right Ribbon

Post by DHalladay » Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:45 pm

This is really interesting, and thanks so much for posting!
Were there any D1s you didn't have to be able to look at? I might have some of them.
When in doubt... don't.

Kissov
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Re: Morgan 1921 D1 Reverse Right Ribbon

Post by Kissov » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:56 pm

Thanks. There is plenty of free time, now, to engage in the minutiae of 1921 Morgan VAMs!

I cherry picked the list from encapsulated examples I have on hand. I will probably (slowly!) look through non-encapsulated examples eventually.

I did go back and check all the examples in my list and all show one or more segments of the "necklace". I doubt there is a correlation but one never knows.

There is another line, found at the lower right side of the last "T" in TRUST, that appears to be of a similar origin. This line shows up as a marker in a couple of D1 pages, but I find it on most all D1 reverses.

DHalladay
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Re: Morgan 1921 D1 Reverse Right Ribbon

Post by DHalladay » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:00 pm

Kissov wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:56 pm

There is another line, found at the lower right side of the last "T" in TRUST, that appears to be of a similar origin. This line shows up as a marker in a couple of D1 pages, but I find it on most all D1 reverses.

Yes, that is a common thing on D1s.
I'll print out your ribbon list, compare with my inventory, and see what else I can maybe add to your research findings.
When in doubt... don't.

DHalladay
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Re: Morgan 1921 D1 Reverse Right Ribbon

Post by DHalladay » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:38 pm

I found a bunch more; to the point that it became rare when a D1 right ribbon did not have that mark. But for D1 VAMs whose names begin with numbers bigger than 1, the frequency became uncommon. Here's what I found:
1AA
1AC1
1AC2
1AE
1AE2
1AJ
1AM
1AN
1AR
1B1
1BD
1BE
1BL
1BP
1i (eye)
1L
1M1-2-3-4
41
41A
43
47
66
67
72A
88A
When in doubt... don't.

Kissov
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Re: Morgan 1921 D1 Reverse Right Ribbon

Post by Kissov » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:44 pm

DHalladay wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:00 pm
Yes, that is a common thing on D1s.
I'll print out your ribbon list, compare with my inventory, and see what else I can maybe add to your research findings.
Thanks. We can compare notes later.

You can add 1AE to the list.

Kissov
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Re: Morgan 1921 D1 Reverse Right Ribbon

Post by Kissov » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:00 pm

I have set up a database to help try to understand this feature (the database includes the right ribbon arc, along with whether the line under the last "T" in TRUST is present, along with a count of the necklace segments.

The "Yes" column entries have the line below the right ribbon, the "No" do not. The table incorporates my review of specimens on hand, along with Dennis's entries.

Please consider this very preliminary, since I haven't rechecked all the entries. If anyone finds exceptions or has additions to the entries in this table, feel free to let me know.

Yes No
1B11E
1I1G
1R1H
1Y1T
1AB1Z
1AE1AG
1AJ1AO
1AN1AQ3
1AR1AW
1AT1AX
1BB1AZ
1BF11BG
1BF21BI1
1BH1Bi2
1BN1BJ
20A1BK
211BQ
254
25A13
40A15
41A19
55A27A
7828
8638
9438A
10241B
10576
79
84
89

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