1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

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Only One
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1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:54 pm

Good Morning,
I am new here and I only have one silver dollar I think is a double die. I have searched through every post and can not find anything like it. I did post it a long time ago with Coin Community and they, including Coop, felt it was a double die. I read the image posting tutorial but the images are all blurred. I think the pictures I am posting are ok in size. I labeled the pictures DS with my real name initials.
There are several other issues that I may be incorrect about.
OB Hair by designer initials struck through. Mint mark seems tilted. Upper lip has damage, not certain if from circulation and there is much more doubling. I had the coin graded by NGC AU53 and they said it was not a know error.
Please advise if I have done anything incorrect. I have several more pictures but am only allowed 5.
Kind Regards, Deborah
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collectinsince65
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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by collectinsince65 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:10 pm

I am no expert. But try VAM 32.

Mike

Edit
Not 32
mintmark position is off
I'll keep looking

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:35 pm

Thank you.

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by vamsterdam » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:11 pm

Well, when i see ddo/ddr by a new member(newbie), i am highly skeptical but i was pleasantly surprised. I hope you figure out what it is.

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:01 pm

Thanks for the compliment. If it does not get figured out should I send it in to get reviewed? Could it be a new VAM?
Kind Regards, Deborah

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:57 pm

Here are a few more pictures.
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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:59 pm

Couple more.
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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by CascadeChris » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:07 pm

With VAMs, hub doubling is generally delt with a little differently than it is with other series. Its typically used as just a general descriptor to classify certain dies that feature hub doubling. There are exceptions when its severe enough though like the the 01p VAM 3 or 78p VAM 44 etc.. In the case of your coin I would forget about the doubling and start with the mint mark position. That will narrow it down quite a bit for you then go down the list of known VAMs with that mint mark position and compare the other pick up points like die scratches, date doubling etc shown for each to your coin until you find a match.
Alonzi VW 2.0!

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:39 am

Thank you very much. I did look at the tilted left O but I will double check.
I appreciate your time. Kind Regards, Deborah

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:49 pm

No Match.
Thank you anyways,
Deborah

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:42 pm

Does anyone else know if this is a VAM? Should I send it in? If yes, where do I send it?
Kind Regards,
Deborah

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by vamsterdam » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:05 pm

Deborah, when i said i am highly skeptical, i meant i am usually skeptical when a newbie posts something they think is new. But, i was pleasantly surprised. Your pictures are good. I have not had time, nor do i have the time to see if this is new. Double check the date and mintmark positions against known listings, that also have a ddr. If there is no match, you can send it to leroy van allen. Po box 196, sindey ohio 45365. He charges $15 for one coin. It must be sent and returned via registered mailand you have to include money for return via registered mail)or it will most likely be stolen in the mail.

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:35 pm

Thank you very much for your time. I think I will send it in.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Kind Regards,
Deborah

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by bhinkle » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:28 am

Hello Deborah,
I just saw your 1879 O and what caught my eye, was the extreme polishing, under the M initial.
Look at the polishing, in both hair V''s, on your obv picture.
I took pictures of ,mine, of the areas, that you had taken of your 1879 O and they look alike, to me.
Look at the polishing, in both hair V''s, on your obv picture, which is just like my vam 4 O/Horizontal O Mint mark.
Before you spend money, to send it anywhere, take a close up of the O mint mark and see if it looks like mine or the TOP 100-1879-O VAM-4 O/Horizontal O Mint mark.
I found mine, maybe twenty years ago and it graded a SEGS AU58
I hope you don't mind all of my pictures, but I think you have a Top 100 VAM 4.
GOOD LUCK and GREAT find, Bert
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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by blh74 » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:42 am

Need closeup pic of mint mark please.

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:54 pm

Very Interesting. Thank you very much for your time. It is greatly appreciated. I will do some more comparing. Hard to take some pictures because of the case.
Kind Regards,
Deborah
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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:05 pm

Hmmmmm. I don't think so.
Thanks Anyways.

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by bhinkle » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:19 am

Deborah,
You may have to move the angle around, with your microscope a little, to pick up the curved lines, inside the O mint mark.
Also here is another die marker, for the vam 4.
A die crack, starting at the first star, running through the bottom of the base of the neck and over above the 1 and 8, of the date.
Does your coin have that die crack?
Bert
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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by Only One » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:16 pm

I tried it from every angle and mine does not have the curved lines inside the mint mark. It has a die crack but not in the same position. When I sent it in I asked to check for errors and all they did was grade it. Shouldn't they have at least told me if it was a VAM?
Thanks for your time Bert. Hope you have a Merry Christmas. No white Christmas here in southern WI.
Deborah

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Re: 1879 O Doubled Die Obverse and Reverse

Post by dave700x » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:04 pm

Possibly a VAM-40.
1883-O nut

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